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the following story is based on the

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records of the united states air force

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the files of the hayden planetarium and

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the actual transcripts of the tapes made

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by betty and barney hill

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under hypnosis by dr benjamin simon

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the purpose to penetrate an

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extraordinary case of double amnesia

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precipitated by their claimed sighting

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of a ufo in nineteen sixty one

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we know it's route three i mean

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off routes and we've been on every

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single side road

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dirt road dead in and there's no road

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there's no

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i saw the thing i knew i saw the thing

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if my best friend told me he'd seen it

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i'd say he was crazy

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bernie they've been ufo sightings all

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over new hampshire are you saying

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they're

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all nuts all those people maybe yeah

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maybe it's crazy to keep coming back

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here

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it's like a like a compulsion like some

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of those people you deal with at work

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compulsive gamblers compulsive wife

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beaters

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what does that make us compulsive

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what's so bad about that because we only

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travel to indian head we only travel

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route three looking for a road that

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doesn't exist

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how many times we've been back here

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betty seven eight times and always end

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up

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exhausted and fighting each other

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let's not come back let's just decide

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not to come back

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no we will

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oh it's funny how we do that

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just a little tolerance that's the last

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[Music]

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that was a dream

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we almost smashed up this car because

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don't do that fanny please

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talk to me tell me what you feel

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i feel that your dreams are dreams

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is that reality but every dumb kid will

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love the jackets out there

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on you what are you talking about

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i was brought up to be

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it's careful remember old scratched

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broken record playing inside of me

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be careful kid or they'll kill you

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bearing me wasn't being very careful

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i loved you so much i forgot to be

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careful

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ernie what are we gonna do

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how do i know this thing happened how do

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i know i wasn't just seeing things

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i'm in this terrible position where

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i know what happened but i can't get

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myself to believe it

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and it's bugging me so much that my

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houses were kicking up again

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it's worse than that i'm trying to

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minimize i was out of work for

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six months on disability the doctor said

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i was suffering from

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the complete physical exhaustion

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and betty betty was having those

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nightmares sudden fears out of nowhere

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things that are really not like betty

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and it's been almost two years since the

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experience

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yes i keep trying to remember what

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happened

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where we were there's a whole

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area that's lost 36 miles and they

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between the time we saw the ufo or

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whatever and

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and when we heard the beeps now concord

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is about

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is there something shifting in the car i

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don't know

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hello do you think that thing is back

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wait a minute i wonder if i can make the

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it was at this moment

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when your memory returned it's a time

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previous to this that you can't remember

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yes dr simon that's right i see we go

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back there

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weekends holidays whenever we get a

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chance we were just there a couple of

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days ago

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they do indian that you mean yes trying

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i sort of woke up from our days and

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saw the sign conquered 17 miles suddenly

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barney and betty hill began general

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history of their anxiety problems in

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amnesia

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highlighted by their claimed sighting

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of a ufo at indian head two years ago

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the hill's clearest memory their return

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home from the ufo

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treatment is to be centered on their

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anxiety reaction

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with their apparent amnesia unidentified

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secondary matter major job

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is to determine treatment of patients

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and overcoming this unique case of

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double amnesia

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most probably by means of hypnosis

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barney hill 39 works for the post office

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his distinguished member of naacp

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and active in community affairs

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well read educated iq of 140

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previously married two children

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suffers deep guilt of leaving marriage

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and children

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but sees them as often as he can

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strife

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betty hill 42 comes from an old new

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previously married 13 years two adopted

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children

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now grown return to university after

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divorce

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received degree presently works

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as i work for the state of new hampshire

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he has a background of security

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in both upbringing and heritage

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funny bunny did you take the clothes in

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their house what

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the clothes did you bring them in no i

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tired i'll bring all that stuff in

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tomorrow

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i didn't want you to bring the clothes

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in the house

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about the clock you said you glanced at

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the clock because you were undressing

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did you see the time i saw that it was

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bonnie realized it either

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neither one of us realized till months

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i'm not strange barney but it was

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tops my shoes are scuffed

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i don't understand how could that be

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hello mr hill when you woke up the next

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morning did you

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experience any particular discomfort on

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your grind

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it was there i could uh

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just had a feeling but

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there was no pain or anything well how

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much later was it that the

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the warts appeared

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oh two months i guess

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before they actually appeared before i

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actually saw them because

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i had a feeling before they actually

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and he went to the doctor and he

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diagnosed it and by means of

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electrolysis he was able to get rid of

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them

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yes and you haven't been in trouble with

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them no haven't

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i don't want to talk to anybody about

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last night

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all right all right

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guess if you want to talk about it

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we can display it to ourselves

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that we can't just not talk about it you

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know

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i want to talk about it to you i don't

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like

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you're not alone with that love

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wondered about it and we talked about it

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and then i asked bonnie if he thought we

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could draw what we saw

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and he didn't want to do that but

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he found a way to talk me into it well

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and then when the drawings were

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identical well bonnie thought they were

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only simple

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i wanted to call my sister bonnie didn't

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want me to do that he got

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angry and then when she wanted me to

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check for radiation barney got

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really upset where's the canvas

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where's the compass i don't know what

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you're talking about betty

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the compass the covers where's the

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compass i don't know where it is how am

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i supposed to know where the competition

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you're a big help it's in the drawer

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where it always is

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why don't you look before your ass it's

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always there in the space

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ready listen i think you're getting too

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excited about all this and i think you

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better calm down

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i think we just better forget about all

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this

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bonnie would you please come outside and

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look at the back of the car and see what

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happens to this compass

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janet says that compass works like a

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geiger counter and if the car has any

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radiation oh

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betty it's also ridiculous

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a car is made out of metal and any metal

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would attract a compass

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compass just went crazy near the trunk

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the spare tire

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not near the battery or where you'd

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expect it to

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and there were these strange shiny spots

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on the back of the car

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i finally got bonnie to come out and

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look at them

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i figured if i humaned her and looked

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she'd calm down

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or did the spots stay on the car no

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they disappeared they didn't disappear

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at least not right away what happened is

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that when i had the car washed it

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they stayed all right

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let's go on janet it went crazy

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yes the compass and there are strange

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i couldn't call anybody they laughed at

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me

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no i'd be embarrassed and bernie bonnie

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and i decided not to tell anyone

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not anyone else are you able to

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deal with that to live with that yes

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well yes and no you see so much of our

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life was so

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happy we'd only been married about a

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year

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and so many things were new

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especially for bonnie especially for

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the only change in my life was that i

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was married

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honey i lived in the house where i'd

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lived for

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years i had the same job and the same

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friends

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but for bonnie fabani everything was

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different he lived in philadelphia and

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what was really an all-black society and

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and here in portsmouth it's pretty much

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an all-white society

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it wasn't just a new marriage for bonnie

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it was a whole

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new life new friends

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[Applause]

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funny makes spend so easily

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my best friend camera jack and lisa

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mccraney jack's a

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lieutenant colonel at the peace air

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force base and

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i knew barney wanted to tell jack

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about what we saw

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and he kept putting it off

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but i finally came out with it deciding

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if it was exciting

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it was still annoying away at me the

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sighting itself

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no whether or not there was a sighting

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we were seeing things

289
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and jack just confirmed my suspicion he

290
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:28,640
said in so many words that

291
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:32,320
anyone that said they saw ufo

292
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,350
he made things worse you know they were

293
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,200
our best friends they were around all

294
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:42,640
the time

295
00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:44,480
we could talk to them about anything

296
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:45,760
anything at all

297
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:48,480
except ufos that subject was just plain

298
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:56,230
and those terrible dreams were starting

299
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:58,160
have you told barney about your dreams

300
00:19:02,870 --> 00:18:59,760
yet mentioned

301
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:02,880
them it's a little time

302
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:06,080
bonnie was working nights in boston

303
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:09,679
60 mile drive back and forth

304
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,000
we were except for weekends we were sort

305
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:14,640
of passing in the hallway

306
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,520
it's the moon you idiot what are you

307
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,679
backing at the moon for

308
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:21,919
but i imagine they were long nights for

309
00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:23,039
you

310
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:31,600
were having so much fun

311
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:34,720
bonnie had joined the toastmasters

312
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,840
because he thought he couldn't speak in

313
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:39,039
public

314
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,320
he found out he could then he found out

315
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:44,799
he could make people laugh

316
00:19:50,830 --> 00:19:47,520
the house was filling up with old jokes

317
00:20:02,530 --> 00:19:50,840
books and old routines on

318
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:04,149
[Applause]

319
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bossy little figured she you never knew

320
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,360
she was the

321
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,520
oldest of five children just grew up

322
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:17,840
bossing everybody

323
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:31,029
[Music]

324
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:34,240
would get terrible

325
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:37,919
like that night jack and lisa were

326
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:40,960
having their problems

327
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:43,039
lisa knew we thought we had seen

328
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,400
something

329
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,480
somehow we got under very cold water

330
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:48,159
goodness only nose how i got the very

331
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,520
gold water

332
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:51,360
i heard myself saying you know you know

333
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,559
the trouble with you white people the

334
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,159
top with you white people

335
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,559
don't call me you white people don't

336
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:57,840
ever call me

337
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,799
you white people you can say those white

338
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:01,760
people but don't

339
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:05,120
include me bonnie hill i'm not white i'm

340
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:13,029
well i didn't ever say that again

341
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,830
and then they were getting ready to

342
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:23,760
leave bonnie too because he had to be at

343
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:24,159
the

344
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,840
tension with a hatchet my fellow

345
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,360
citizens

346
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:35,679
let no one doubt that this is a

347
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,640
difficult

348
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:39,039
and dangerous effort on which we have

349
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:40,000
set out

350
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,840
the path we have chosen for the present

351
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,039
is full of hazards

352
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:45,919
but it is the one most consistent with

353
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:48,559
our character and courage as a nation

354
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,600
and our commitments around the world

355
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,600
and then bonnie came back he's gonna

356
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:55,760
call in sick

357
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,799
he was so worried and he was just lying

358
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,760
there with this

359
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,080
white cloth over his face to help his

360
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:04,080
headache

361
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:15,350
betty i want to ask you something

362
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,590
i can't not with that thing over your

363
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,470
it was your idea

364
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,549
this probably isn't the time anyway

365
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:31,200
but i really wanted to ask you listen

366
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,000
betty

367
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:34,880
i was just listening to the news bonnie

368
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:37,520
i said i wanted to ask you something

369
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:41,760
this is important very really important

370
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:43,760
if they actually do start shooting

371
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,880
missiles oh

372
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,320
nobody's going to start shooting

373
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:50,799
missiles bonnie they do

374
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,600
and together if i'm at work and can't

375
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:54,960
get here

376
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,320
now listen to me what i want you to do

377
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,039
is make your way to your mother's house

378
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:03,200
now managed to get there

379
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:06,559
is that clear yes

380
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:16,789
good

381
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,470
funny what i wanted to ask you before

382
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,960
is how come we can talk about this ufo

383
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:25,440
business together and wonder what it was

384
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:26,720
together

385
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:29,600
but with janet with jack it was a plane

386
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,470
with you i can look like a fool but with

387
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:38,400
my friends i can't afford to look like a

388
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,110
i got to hate that wash cloth

389
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,279
more and more he'd just lie there was

390
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:51,760
over his face

391
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,200
i just kept calling in sick well

392
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:58,000
i was sick the ulcers the headaches and

393
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,120
i was worrying i mean

394
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,880
i've always been a warrior but this is

395
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,039
really getting out of proportion

396
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:05,360
worrying about things that i didn't have

397
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:08,320
any control over

398
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,440
i really thought we were going to be

399
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:11,360
attacked

400
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:24,149
i thought russia i don't know

401
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:27,430
and were the nightmares continuing yes

402
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,720
on and on i started writing them down

403
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,000
i'd get it in the middle of the night

404
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,799
and write till i was exhausted i had

405
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,919
done that before

406
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,240
when when things upset me i would write

407
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:40,400
them down it would help

408
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,320
you uh still have a copy of those dreams

409
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,320
yes i stuck them away somewhere you know

410
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:47,840
that's funny

411
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,000
i i've forgotten i wrote them down

412
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:53,840
because i'd uh like a copy of those you

413
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,029
and it was about this time barney that

414
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,039
uh you went to see the doctor and he

415
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,520
suggested that uh you take a rest

416
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,000
take a sick leave yes it was about this

417
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:13,590
so i just started staying home

418
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,039
trying to relax work in the garden

419
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:22,230
the kids came more often i could see

420
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:23,360
them

421
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,840
more often but he really liked barely

422
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,400
anything

423
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:30,799
they got along well with it they really

424
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,590
because i used to tease her i told her

425
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:37,760
that it was her cooking they loved

426
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:45,430
maybe i was just lying around reading

427
00:26:08,830 --> 00:25:57,020
ufo books

428
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,230
hi

429
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,029
what's smart are you upset no i'm not

430
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,520
upset why

431
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:20,159
you weren't smiling when you came in you

432
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:21,679
weren't smiling

433
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,039
i didn't notice i did well

434
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,799
obviously you did or you wouldn't be

435
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:28,080
uptight about it

436
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:39,430
sorry about that

437
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,669
if i knew

438
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,789
what would be lying around this

439
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:52,159
household day without with me reading

440
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,640
these stupid books

441
00:27:07,750 --> 00:26:55,600
[Applause]

442
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:07,760
my eyes are falling until

443
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:18,789
when i ask you to marry me you said you

444
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:22,640
wanted a psychiatric evaluation

445
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,990
what do you mean i mean

446
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,320
that you your instincts may have been

447
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,159
right

448
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,960
you may have sent something oh no my

449
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:41,600
love

450
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:46,240
oh no you didn't understand

451
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,230
i couldn't tell you

452
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,350
what

453
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:04,389
i still can't listen

454
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:16,230
anything

455
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:19,679
i'm not pretty who says

456
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,880
nobody it's something i know

457
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,960
something i've always known i'm not

458
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,520
pretty and that's nonsense

459
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:29,120
and what's it got to do with a

460
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:32,640
psychiatric evaluation of me

461
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:37,360
oh you don't understand

462
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,600
i was afraid i was afraid you

463
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:44,720
thought you thought you loved me you

464
00:28:50,000 --> 00:29:01,190
because i was white

465
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,350
eddie that's like

466
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,399
that's like me being afraid

467
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,880
you love me you only love my beautiful

468
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:13,279
black body

469
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,800
there's that too

470
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,080
[Music]

471
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,440
you're right you're not pretty

472
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:26,559
you're beautiful and i see the whole

473
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:27,679
world

474
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,039
bed i see

475
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:33,679
every bit of beauty in the whole world

476
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:40,480
in your face

477
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,190
this is the way it should be this is the

478
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,279
way it was

479
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:07,200
well finally i convinced it that we had

480
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:14,389
she cried that that's really what did it

481
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,000
well we never did it we did call

482
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,840
i wasn't too impressed with how the air

483
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,000
force handled it

484
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,039
but when wayne webb from the hayden

485
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,880
planetarium contacted us then i knew

486
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,880
that

487
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:31,039
betty was right and we had to tell

488
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:47,750
no need for you to be concerned

489
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:51,039
no need for you to be worried you are

490
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:51,760
deeper

491
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,240
asleep you will remember everything

492
00:31:05,389 --> 00:31:03,600
and you will tell me everything is now

493
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,399
september 19

494
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,159
1961

495
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:10,880
you will remember everything and it

496
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:13,519
won't trouble you

497
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,149
i want you to go back to the time of

498
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:29,039
your vacation in montreal

499
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,720
beginning with the time you left your

500
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:32,480
hotel in montreal

501
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:36,399
yes i want you to tell me in full detail

502
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:40,640
all your experiences all your thoughts

503
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:44,000
all your feelings beginning from the

504
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,669
now were you in montreal

505
00:32:02,870 --> 00:31:58,830
it was approximately 112 miles from

506
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:02,880
montreal we were driving from

507
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,279
walls through canada we'll just go on

508
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,240
tell me about your arrival there the

509
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:13,120
thoughts that were going through my mind

510
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:21,830
they accept me at the motel because

511
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,279
what they say they were filled up

512
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:28,559
and i was wondering if they

513
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:32,720
were doing this because i was prejudiced

514
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:40,950
because they were prejudiced

515
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,000
you run into this a lot i take it

516
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:46,159
i have not actually run into being

517
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,120
denied

518
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,960
accommodation yet you mean you

519
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,840
worry about it but i know that this does

520
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,279
happen

521
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,399
and i am concerned

522
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,320
did you tell your wife about your

523
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:02,799
concern

524
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:06,080
does she share it

525
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,799
i express it but

526
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,039
she does not share my concern in this

527
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:14,480
matter

528
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:21,830
we are riding around

529
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:39,110
i have a gun

530
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:43,279
in the trunk of the car a

531
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,909
pistol and it is hidden

532
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:52,080
in the well of the trunk of the car with

533
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,820
the top mat over it

534
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:55,200
[Applause]

535
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,120
and i'm thinking why did i do this

536
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,240
why did i bring this gun along and i

537
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,360
know it is all my fears

538
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,480
that i believe the hostility of white

539
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,679
people

540
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,159
particularly when there is an

541
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:14,079
interracial couple

542
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:19,520
yes well go on your memory is sharp

543
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,520
where are you now now

544
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,159
we're in the country part of new

545
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:28,720
hampshire on route 3

546
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:33,040
and i'm thinking i've got to get a hold

547
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:34,639
of myself and

548
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:38,079
not expect hostility when there

549
00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:42,079
it was no hostility there

550
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:46,839
and i look up through the

551
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,030
look up through the windshield of the

552
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:56,399
car

553
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:05,349
oh that's funny

554
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:09,200
but i said betty that is not a star it's

555
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:16,720
a satellite

556
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,910
hurry up betty so i can see

557
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,560
not a satellite it's a plane what kind

558
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,440
of a plane is that

559
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:34,560
what kind of plane was it it is

560
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,200
right over my right and it does not go

561
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,760
where i thought it would go honey i'm

562
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,359
asking you a question what kind of a

563
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:45,520
plane is that

564
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:49,280
oh that's funny

565
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:56,870
it was funny

566
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,870
they're coming around tortoise they're

567
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:00,720
changing course just a

568
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:06,480
piper cub bonnie it's not a piper cub

569
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:10,160
you still have a small plate

570
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:13,359
funny that's not a plane that's still

571
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:25,270
where are you going i just want to see

572
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,630
still it it's coming closer

573
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:31,119
it is not it is not coming closer just

574
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:32,240
way up there

575
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,349
believe

576
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:50,870
we'll stop here for now

577
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,190
just relax

578
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,200
until you hear me speak again you won't

579
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:00,079
hear any sound here

580
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:20,829
all right you may proceed now

581
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:22,069
and

582
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:25,760
i i'm wondering

583
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,200
why doesn't it go away do you

584
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:32,400
still think it was a small plane

585
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:37,599
and i'm wondering why

586
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:44,150
well they shouldn't do that

587
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,000
they shouldn't do that and

588
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:51,520
i can't hear any noise

589
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:55,040
and i think this is ridiculous

590
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:58,720
i can't hear any sound

591
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,160
and i want to get back in the car and

592
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,720
get out of there i gotta get out of

593
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:06,560
there

594
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,000
and it is still

595
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:13,040
coming around towards us

596
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:16,720
and i look up and down the road

597
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:20,320
and i think how dark it is

598
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:25,760
and i think what if a bear

599
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:29,760
were to come out and betty is looking

600
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:33,520
i think she said and

601
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:37,520
i'm mad with her i think betty

602
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,000
is trying to make me believe this is a

603
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:42,240
flying saucer

604
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:45,680
and i am wondering

605
00:39:02,490 --> 00:38:54,470
i won't wake up you won't wake up

606
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:05,109
[Music]

607
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:13,990
what is it

608
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:16,800
i gotta get out of here this won't trump

609
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,119
you

610
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:20,240
go on remembering everything now

611
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,320
and i tried to maintain control

612
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:27,680
so betty cannot tell that i am scared oh

613
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:31,119
i'm so scared go on this won't hurt you

614
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:32,079
experience it

615
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:39,670
i gotta get my gun i gotta get my gun

616
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:50,310
[Applause]

617
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:57,680
nothing can harm you here

618
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:00,800
you're in a deep sleep you can remember

619
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:08,550
now now calm yourself

620
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,470
now come on back

621
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:51,720
and sit down

622
00:41:09,589 --> 00:40:57,880
[Applause]

623
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:16,150
all right you can wake up now

624
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:19,430
you can remember everything just go on

625
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,280
remembering there's no need for you to

626
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:25,520
cry out you

627
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:31,349
you still feel you have to get your gun

628
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:32,800
yes

629
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,480
and i open the trunk and i

630
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:43,680
take it out and i put it in my coat

631
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,720
and i look and i look and i say

632
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:50,000
i'm not afraid i'm not afraid i'll shoot

633
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:50,960
it down

634
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:54,319
and and i run out across the road

635
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:07,510
there it is

636
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,270
and man

637
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:14,790
amen is

638
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:19,760
he a captain what is he

639
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:24,319
and he's looking at me

640
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,640
and i say no i have to shake my head

641
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:31,680
this isn't true this can't be true

642
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:34,960
and it's still there

643
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:38,079
and i look up and down the road and i

644
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,119
think

645
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:42,480
can somebody come along and eat it

646
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,680
it's there are you sure it's there

647
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,160
[Applause]

648
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:00,390
and dream touch my

649
00:43:07,610 --> 00:43:04,880
right arm it's not my right it's my

650
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,620
left arm and it's there

651
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:09,280
[Music]

652
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:13,839
if i let my binoculars fall and dangle

653
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:15,370
maybe it won't be there

654
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:15,430
[Applause]

655
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:23,119
[Music]

656
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:26,800
but it's there

657
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,319
why what do they want

658
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,190
and this one person

659
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,400
look friendly to me

660
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:48,470
and he's looking over his right shoulder

661
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:49,200
at me and

662
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,440
he's smiling and he's friendly

663
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:56,800
but the other one

664
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,560
with the evil face

665
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:03,839
he looks like a nazi

666
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:07,930
he's a nazi did he have on a uniform

667
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,670
and they have faces like like other

668
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:15,119
people

669
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:21,510
[Music]

670
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:29,829
oh i feel like a rabbit

671
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,160
what do you mean by that when i was

672
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:37,680
hunting for rabbits in virginia

673
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,280
this cute little bunny went into a bush

674
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,119
that wasn't very thick

675
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,359
and my cousin marge was on one side of

676
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:47,920
the bushing

677
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,280
i was on the other with a hat

678
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:54,000
and this poor little bunny thought he

679
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:55,520
was safe

680
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,720
and it tickled me because he was just

681
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,280
hiding behind this little stalk

682
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:04,560
that meant security for him

683
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,319
and i pounced on him and threw my hat

684
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,960
on him and captured the poor little

685
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:12,079
bunny

686
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:23,030
isn't that funny i thought of that

687
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,190
i'm that bunny

688
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:34,470
i'm gonna be pounced on

689
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:38,000
i'm that but this creature is trying to

690
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:39,599
tell me something

691
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:42,960
i can see it in his face are its lips

692
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,829
no his lips aren't moving

693
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:52,400
but he's he's looking at me and he's

694
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:53,520
saying to me

695
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,359
don't be afraid did you hear him tell

696
00:46:02,710 --> 00:45:59,280
you this

697
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:02,720
no you

698
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:07,440
felt he said it uh

699
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:11,599
i know and he said

700
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,040
just stay there he said and he's telling

701
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:17,200
me not to pull the binoculars away from

702
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:18,560
my eyes

703
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:21,680
and and i

704
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:25,119
i oh god

705
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:44,950
please wake up just a little longer

706
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,950
i don't understand their eyes don't have

707
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:54,319
no body

708
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:02,790
oh oh that's what it's got to be

709
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,000
a wild cat

710
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:09,040
of a tree oh

711
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:17,510
oh i know

712
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,319
it's the cheshire cat in alice in

713
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,480
wonderland

714
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:24,720
it disappeared too and only the eyes

715
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:34,069
you don't seem to be frightened no

716
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:38,400
they're not gonna do anything bad

717
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:41,839
just floating about

718
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:46,640
on that bunny i've been captured

719
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:52,880
but just floating about

720
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:56,480
it's so ridiculous isn't it

721
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,470
i wonder where they come from they're

722
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:05,760
not going to

723
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,069
i wish i could go with him

724
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:18,390
oh what an experience

725
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:25,829
maybe this will prove the existence of

726
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:32,549
isn't that fun to look

727
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:36,640
for the existence of god

728
00:49:00,839 --> 00:49:11,910
hmm

729
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,750
i don't know if he was laughing or

730
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:15,520
crying but

731
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,200
he said to me they were going to

732
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,680
capture us we're going to capture it you

733
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,200
got to get out of here

734
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,119
look up look out you can see them

735
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:26,720
they're right overhead

736
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:35,990
they're active i don't see anything

737
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,349
what's that what's that noise

738
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:58,800
i don't know at a moment this was the

739
00:50:03,109 --> 00:49:59,280
first

740
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,119
series of beeps when your amnesia begins

741
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:06,000
i don't want to there's the second

742
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:07,119
series of beeps

743
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:11,440
when your memory returned i don't know

744
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,190
but i

745
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:22,640
that my mind

746
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:30,069
but i i could not

747
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:33,920
i almost remember

748
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:40,319
you can remember

749
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,920
oh i get this point i can't get behind

750
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:45,040
those

751
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,559
beeping you can you can get beyond it

752
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,000
it's all right you've never remembered

753
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,400
it before this is the two hours you

754
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:54,880
could never remember until now

755
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,319
because you're there now all right

756
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:01,520
go on remember

757
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:08,079
no need to be upset

758
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:12,800
i'm not supposed to not supposed to

759
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:16,000
who told you you're not supposed to

760
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:20,240
they did all right

761
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:40,790
we're driving along

762
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:44,390
i don't know where we are i

763
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:47,440
i don't even know how we

764
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:50,559
got here

765
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:53,920
fanny and i we're we were

766
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,829
i don't know how long i i don't know how

767
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:05,670
long

768
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:08,800
we haven't even been talking i'm

769
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:16,790
feeling that something

770
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:25,589
i'm not really too afraid

771
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:29,359
except now i am

772
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:33,200
that time i didn't feel afraid

773
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:40,309
i'm afraid now ben i

774
00:52:54,350 --> 00:52:44,640
wasn't i don't i wasn't i wasn't afraid

775
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:55,800
[Music]

776
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:02,150
tell me about the men in the road it's

777
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:03,280
all right

778
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,400
you're safe here tell me about the men

779
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:08,720
in the room

780
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,119
betty betty don't fall asleep

781
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:15,520
i want you to stay awake so you can

782
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:28,790
tell me about the men in the road

783
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,160
i wasn't too afraid of them

784
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:34,960
and when i saw them they were standing

785
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,549
and i thought oh well you know they are

786
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:42,880
not so awful

787
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,079
i there was

788
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:49,680
i i don't know they were i wasn't

789
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,110
too afraid when i saw them they were

790
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:53,680
[Music]

791
00:54:00,060 --> 00:53:56,640
and they would just now i couldn't get a

792
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:03,990
[Music]

793
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:07,920
maybe their car's broken down

794
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:11,520
what are they doing here

795
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:14,720
yeah they started coming

796
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:21,270
and i when they did that i

797
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:32,980
[Laughter]

798
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:35,680
[Music]

799
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:39,520
i didn't hear that

800
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:42,720
i thought i could just

801
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:46,000
get my hand on the door of the gun open

802
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:47,200
it

803
00:55:04,829 --> 00:54:50,180
can run into the woods and hide

804
00:55:06,130 --> 00:55:04,839
[Music]

805
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:06,140
oh

806
00:55:27,810 --> 00:55:20,510
can i open it

807
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:30,789
[Music]

808
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:34,079
one two three

809
00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:44,990
[Laughter]

810
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,839
[Music]

811
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:49,599
more

812
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:06,490
you'll be relieved and relaxed

813
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:12,309
[Laughter]

814
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:16,150
all right comfortable

815
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:55,510
hello the beautiful people

816
00:57:02,950 --> 00:56:58,069
don't give me that talk about your

817
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,789
now how could i go and marry a girl with

818
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,200
no class

819
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:10,079
no betty betty no not that no betty not

820
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:11,119
not not that no

821
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:19,030
serves your right no class

822
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,549
you're really feeling good yes i am

823
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:29,839
just minutes

824
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,880
i really feel good i come out of those

825
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:34,400
sessions

826
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,359
it's like a weight lifted and i don't

827
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:38,880
know what the way it is but something's

828
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:39,520
working

829
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,319
because there are these minutes before

830
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:44,960
it all comes creeping back again

831
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,030
and then i can't wait for the end of the

832
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:53,440
week to get back in there

833
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:56,880
like today at lunch

834
00:58:03,190 --> 00:57:59,920
i felt so cool i had an onion

835
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,200
with my hamburger danny you

836
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:05,680
know we said we wouldn't eat onions

837
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:06,400
unless we

838
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:09,599
both had oh i'm sorry i forgot i'll get

839
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:10,400
you one

840
00:58:20,839 --> 00:58:25,349
onion

841
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:29,030
it's really strange isn't it

842
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,069
it really is

843
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,230
so amazed so curious

844
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:38,799
just dying to find out what's going on

845
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:44,069
it's amazing i didn't think i could be

846
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:45,280
hypnotized

847
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:48,559
he's so unlike me just

848
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:57,349
but i walk in there and bang

849
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:00,640
i guess i trust him hmm

850
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,000
funny ill trusting somebody except

851
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,200
me and him it's funny i just trusted him

852
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:09,040
right away

853
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,559
oh yeah but you're used to trusting

854
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:12,240
people

855
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,599
you know me i'm not paranoid just the

856
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:18,319
whole world is out to get me

857
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:22,160
especially boys with ducktale haircuts

858
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:22,640
and

859
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:34,150
are you kidding yeah sort of

860
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,789
no not really

861
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,630
my earliest memory except that i don't

862
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,559
think it was really a memory just that

863
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:43,680
my mother

864
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:47,680
told the story so much that i feel

865
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:51,680
i remembered it i was just a baby

866
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:55,440
six months nine months and moved into an

867
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,880
all-white neighborhood in philadelphia

868
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:00,960
and my mother put me out on the porch in

869
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,440
a carriage

870
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,599
she came out just in time to see an old

871
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:06,960
lady

872
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:09,680
sneaking across the porch with a pot of

873
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:10,240
boiling

874
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:14,880
water and she was gonna dump it on me oh

875
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:19,359
you're not crazy well i don't know

876
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:27,589
i grew up on stuff like that

877
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,710
all those summers in virginia remember

878
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,799
my uncle

879
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,960
all the men on the farm sitting up on

880
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:36,880
the porch all night little loaded

881
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:42,079
guns all night because they were coming

882
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,359
they said they were coming but they

883
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:45,520
didn't come

884
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:52,789
no i don't know

885
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:55,760
because no way i could ever know is that

886
01:01:40,789 --> 01:00:56,400
no

887
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:43,990
you promise me something

888
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:46,309
if i get a stroke something like that

889
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,829
would you put a pillow over my face

890
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:59,270
that's not fair bunny

891
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:01,670
bunny that's not fair to ask me a thing

892
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:02,799
like that now

893
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:05,280
ask me to promise all right don't

894
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:06,000
promise now

895
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:09,760
but if just decide then

896
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:13,200
knowing okay i'll decide then

897
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:16,799
when you're 102. it runs in the family

898
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:17,520
you know

899
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,589
i would have told you about that and

900
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,119
asked you about that before but i didn't

901
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:34,390
would you be all right no

902
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,870
baby don't try didn't mean to try yes

903
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:46,000
you did

904
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:52,559
everything was just fine

905
01:03:05,029 --> 01:02:56,240
we were laughing we were fine

906
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:09,270
i'm sorry

907
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:15,990
i know i know so am i

908
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:25,349
we keep right on doing it

909
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:32,549
why

910
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:42,549
go on betty

911
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:46,710
it's all right you can go on now

912
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:50,799
i i don't know what happened

913
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:57,510
what did these men look like did you see

914
01:04:03,349 --> 01:03:59,359
their faces

915
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,359
no how were they dressed

916
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:05,760
did they have on a uniform or ordinary

917
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:06,640
clothes

918
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:09,680
i couldn't say i don't know

919
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:13,680
i can't remember i'm not supposed to

920
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:22,630
all right your memory is sharp

921
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:25,680
now you needn't worry

922
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:28,799
you can remember everything

923
01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:36,390
what are you thinking now

924
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:39,829
i'm thinking i'm asleep

925
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:43,920
in the car i'm asleep and i've got to

926
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:45,039
wake up i

927
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:48,480
i don't want to be asleep i keep

928
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:55,200
keep trying to wake up

929
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:59,119
and then i i open my eyes

930
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,599
i'm walking through the woods i open my

931
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,079
eyes quick and i shut them again

932
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:07,039
barney is behind you there's a couple of

933
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,079
men behind me

934
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:10,480
and then there's bonnie there's a

935
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:14,400
there's a man on each side of him

936
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:17,119
and my eyes are open but bonnie's still

937
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:18,960
asleep

938
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:26,240
and then i begin to get mad

939
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:29,440
and i said to myself who the heck are

940
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,839
these

941
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,280
characters and what do they think

942
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:34,000
they're doing

943
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:37,200
and i turn around and i said bonnie wake

944
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:37,680
up

945
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:47,670
and i'm getting really annoyed at bonnie

946
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:52,000
and i say bonnie wake up

947
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:01,430
and then the leader there's no reason to

948
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:02,640
be afraid

949
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,839
we just want to do some tests and then

950
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,280
when the tests are over

951
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,440
we'll take you and bonnie back to your

952
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:11,119
car you'll be

953
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:14,720
on your way back home in no time

954
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:29,349
[Music]

955
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:34,160
the object was on the ground

956
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:37,359
the moon sitting on the ground

957
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:40,160
the object was on the ground i think

958
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:43,599
that's the same one i saw in the sky

959
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:46,799
and i thought it was the moon

960
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:50,079
go inside and there's a there was a

961
01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:01,990
and the car was a rump spoke

962
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:04,309
and then another man comes in i haven't

963
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:05,920
seen him before

964
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,799
i think he's the doctor and they both

965
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:09,680
look through this

966
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,039
machine here and here

967
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:15,440
what do you think they were doing i i

968
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:18,880
have an idea they're

969
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:22,880
taking a picture of my skin

970
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:26,160
they're doing all kinds of things

971
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:29,520
and then they they took something like a

972
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:33,119
letter opener only it wasn't and they

973
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,310
scraped my army

974
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:38,000
[Music]

975
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:41,119
and then they put the little

976
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:46,319
skin scraping in a piece of cellophane

977
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:50,160
plastic something i know then they

978
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:53,520
feel my hair back on my head and

979
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:56,960
take a couple of strands and pull it out

980
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,920
the examiner tells me to take my dress

981
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:00,720
off

982
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:03,760
before i even have a chance to

983
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:07,280
stand up to do it your dress has a

984
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:08,720
zipper down the back

985
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:12,079
yes it zips down the back the examiner

986
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:16,400
unzipped it and flipped my dress off

987
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:19,920
and they're talking i

988
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:22,400
don't know what they're saying i

989
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:24,640
couldn't understand that part

990
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:27,920
i want to do some tests i want to test

991
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:31,120
your nervous system

992
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:34,159
i don't know how our nervous systems are

993
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:34,719
but i

994
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:38,319
hope we never have nerve enough to to go

995
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,719
kidnapping people off the highways as

996
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:42,400
you've done

997
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,000
i'm lying on the table

998
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,000
i don't know what they're doing but they

999
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:49,920
seem so

1000
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:53,520
happy with whatever it is they're doing

1001
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:57,040
and they touch me with a needle then

1002
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:00,799
it's something like tv screen

1003
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:03,679
and then they tear me on my stomach and

1004
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:04,799
then

1005
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:14,950
i see the dodger has a

1006
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,239
long needle in his hand

1007
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:21,279
go what's going on it's all right

1008
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:24,640
what are you going to do with that

1009
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:28,719
and he tells me that it won't hurt he

1010
01:09:39,170 --> 01:09:32,239
just wants to put it in my navel it's

1011
01:09:40,110 --> 01:09:39,180
just a simple task

1012
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:40,120
[Applause]

1013
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:40,620
[Music]

1014
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:50,160
he rubs his hands up

1015
01:09:50,170 --> 01:10:00,870
[Applause]

1016
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:05,270
that needless i don't know why they

1017
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:08,480
did that because i told them they

1018
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:09,040
shouldn't

1019
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:12,480
do it did they make any sexual advances

1020
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:21,189
no i asked the leader i said

1021
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:26,550
why did you put that needle in my navel

1022
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:30,229
and he said

1023
01:10:38,350 --> 01:10:34,000
it was a pregnancy test

1024
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:38,360
i said i don't know what you

1025
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:41,360
expected but

1026
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,280
that was no pregnancy testy

1027
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,840
when you had all of these experiences

1028
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:50,159
with your dreams

1029
01:10:53,450 --> 01:10:53,040
why would you have dreamed all these

1030
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:53,460
things

1031
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:55,040
[Music]

1032
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:56,560
the dreams were the same as the

1033
01:11:02,310 --> 01:10:59,520
experiences that you felt you had

1034
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:02,320
i figured that in my dreams i remembered

1035
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:13,360
what actually happened

1036
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,159
did these men speak to you only the one

1037
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,000
i thought was the leader

1038
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,560
what kind of language do you use he did

1039
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:22,239
not speak a word

1040
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:26,320
i was told what to do by his thought

1041
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:29,360
his thoughts and

1042
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:33,280
i was always aware that somehow

1043
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:36,800
there was something peculiar which is

1044
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:40,239
the absence of a mouth there seem to be

1045
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:42,159
indications that a great deal of the

1046
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,360
experience

1047
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,560
was absorbed by barney hill from betty

1048
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,120
in spite of his insistence that this was

1049
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:50,880
his own

1050
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:53,360
and there are definite indications that

1051
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,120
her dreams

1052
01:12:01,540 --> 01:11:58,239
have been suggested as a reality

1053
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:01,550
the implications are self-evident

1054
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:10,149
go on it's all right and so then i said

1055
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,280
i asked him where he was from

1056
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,440
and he asked me if i knew anything about

1057
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:17,120
the universe

1058
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:20,159
and i told him no

1059
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:24,080
i knew almost nothing but don't judge

1060
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,840
this country by me

1061
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,159
there are people who do know all about

1062
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:30,000
the stars

1063
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:34,000
and there was this one big circle

1064
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:36,320
and it had a lot of lines coming out

1065
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:38,239
from it

1066
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:41,679
and then to another circle quite close

1067
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:44,800
but not as big you think you could draw

1068
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:46,880
the map

1069
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:50,560
yes i think so

1070
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,760
he said these are places they went to

1071
01:12:59,550 --> 01:12:55,520
occasionally

1072
01:13:04,229 --> 01:12:59,560
and the broken lines were

1073
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:04,239
expeditions and i asked him again where

1074
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:07,520
his home port was

1075
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:12,239
and he said where are you on the map

1076
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:17,679
and i looked i laughed and i said

1077
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,679
i don't know and he said

1078
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:23,920
if you don't know where you are there

1079
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:26,320
isn't any point of my telling where i am

1080
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:27,760
from

1081
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,120
or did they actually speak english

1082
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:33,600
have been telling myself i heard them in

1083
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:35,199
english

1084
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:42,950
i don't know could it have been

1085
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,679
thought transference no

1086
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:49,840
i knew what they were saying and they

1087
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:51,199
knew what i was saying

1088
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:01,830
they knew what they were thinking

1089
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,550
i said

1090
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:21,270
you promised i could have the book

1091
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,550
and he said i know it but the others

1092
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:26,560
object

1093
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:39,510
they don't want you to know what

1094
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:51,590
you can take the book but you can never

1095
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:05,670
i'll remember if it's the last thing i

1096
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:08,840
[Applause]

1097
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:21,350
why do you think they were examining

1098
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,920
your skin i suppose it was because your

1099
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:26,000
skin and barney skin were of a different

1100
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:32,790
i don't know i think

1101
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:35,600
it's because their skin and mind were

1102
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:36,719
different

1103
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:40,560
and i started to get out of my car

1104
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:44,400
and i felt myself supported by two men

1105
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:47,440
and my eyes were closed now just a

1106
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:48,400
minute

1107
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:51,360
didn't betty tell you this no betty

1108
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,159
never told

1109
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:54,880
me this but didn't she have dreams of

1110
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:56,080
this and

1111
01:16:03,590 --> 01:15:59,600
talk to you about them betty said that

1112
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:03,600
we were inside a ufo in her dreams

1113
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:07,120
not out there yes but didn't she tell

1114
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:07,840
you that

1115
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:10,640
you were taken inside yes she did well

1116
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:12,080
then she told you everything that was

1117
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:13,440
seen inside

1118
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:17,040
about being stopped by these men no

1119
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:20,159
she did not tell me about being stopped

1120
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,280
by the men

1121
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:24,000
she did not have this in her dreams i

1122
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,470
general davidson please

1123
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:55,669
hey jim ben

1124
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,800
look i've uh i've got a problem as i

1125
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:01,120
said there are four possibilities

1126
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:04,480
one they're lying i can discount that

1127
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:05,920
because they're honest people

1128
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:09,120
high integrity two there's a case of

1129
01:17:13,350 --> 01:17:11,600
dual hallucination

1130
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:13,360
it's improbable for reasons i won't go

1131
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:15,520
into and three the

1132
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:18,480
incident was a dream or an illusion now

1133
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,440
this

1134
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:21,440
i intend to explore further what makes

1135
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:22,800
you think it was a dream well i didn't

1136
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:23,120
say

1137
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,560
i thought it was a dream i said i'd

1138
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,159
explore it further

1139
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:28,080
you know i remember you saying exactly

1140
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,520
the same thing about a young lady in

1141
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:31,199
freshman biology that you thought you

1142
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:31,520
were

1143
01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:33,440
but that you want to explore all right

1144
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:35,360
all right the reason i'm going to

1145
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:37,040
explore it further is because

1146
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,760
a background existed a sensitized

1147
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,320
background existed on which a fantasy

1148
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:44,640
could be imprinted to be experienced

1149
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,600
later as a dream

1150
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,520
and not hold it when you lost me yeah

1151
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:49,280
well forget about that

1152
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:51,679
i can't discuss the personal aspects of

1153
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:53,600
this

1154
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:56,320
but what i really want to know is is the

1155
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,159
sighting of a ufo

1156
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,960
probable more important than that has

1157
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:02,880
there ever been an actual case of uh

1158
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:05,679
an abduction of broader ufos is that

1159
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,760
possible

1160
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:09,520
do you want the official air force

1161
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:11,920
position or uh well i want

1162
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:14,880
whatever you can tell me all right the

1163
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:16,159
official position is

1164
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,030
you think you could take that a step

1165
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,520
further yeah but not too much

1166
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:25,280
because each year after investigating

1167
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,159
about 1500 reports of ufo sightings

1168
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,320
we've come up with a 95 unexplained

1169
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:31,840
natural phenomena

1170
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,400
name balloons and things balloons

1171
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:36,000
weather inversions cokes

1172
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:38,719
and 5 unexplained now that unexplained

1173
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:40,640
is never denied we just file it under

1174
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:41,360
the heading of

1175
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:44,000
insufficient data but ben is a friend

1176
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:44,800
i'll tell you

1177
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:47,360
i wonder about that five percent there

1178
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:49,600
are just too many reports good people

1179
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:51,679
sound people and we can't we can't seem

1180
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,800
to find any answers that make any sense

1181
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:56,880
this was for the sightings yeah i really

1182
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,600
wonder about that

1183
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:02,400
but for an actual abduction now that i

1184
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:03,360
never heard of

1185
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:05,360
and off hand i'd say that it's extremely

1186
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:07,360
unlikely no no i'm not saying that

1187
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:10,000
what i'm saying is i think a sighting is

1188
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:11,040
possible

1189
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:13,040
but an abduction then i'd have to have

1190
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:14,239
an awful lot of proof an

1191
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,440
awful lot of facts so you're saying that

1192
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,920
without the facts you'd consider it

1193
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,679
highly improper

1194
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:24,719
even impossible um yeah but that's what

1195
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,590
barney and betty hill have hypnotized

1196
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:37,760
each of them separately

1197
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:41,360
general

1198
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,560
the same experience i suspect that in

1199
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:46,800
this stage of therapy

1200
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:49,760
the sighting of an object which could

1201
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:52,560
possibly be a ufo

1202
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,040
triggered an externalized fantasy

1203
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:00,239
a fantasized trauma which the

1204
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:09,350
i just had a hysterical thought what if

1205
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:09,840
dr

1206
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:18,709
oh betty don't be ridiculous

1207
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,080
neither barney hill nor betty hill

1208
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,000
realize that their experience as

1209
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:25,600
described

1210
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:29,360
almost identical to the long report

1211
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:38,149
if he changes his mind and decides

1212
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:43,990
of course he's gonna let us listen he

1213
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:46,400
said so

1214
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:58,470
so he asked me what a vegetable

1215
01:21:02,229 --> 01:21:01,280
i just couldn't explain what vegetables

1216
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:02,239
are and he said

1217
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,040
was the one kind i liked and i said my

1218
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:07,440
favorite was squash

1219
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:10,800
and he said tell me about squash

1220
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:14,560
so i said it was it was yellow usually

1221
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:15,920
and he said

1222
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,360
what's yellow and i started looking

1223
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,040
around the room

1224
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,280
and i couldn't find anything yellow at

1225
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:25,040
all

1226
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:28,880
no i i want to read something to you

1227
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:31,920
he asked questions what did vegetables

1228
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:32,639
look like

1229
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:35,520
my favorite one squash what did it look

1230
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:36,320
like

1231
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,639
i tried to explain the color of it and

1232
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:40,320
looked for some yellow coloring in the

1233
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:43,600
room but could not find any

1234
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:47,040
it's from my dream but i wrote down

1235
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:48,719
now i want to explain something to you

1236
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:51,600
that you probably know already

1237
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,440
the rules operate for the conscious mind

1238
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:57,920
don't operate for the unconscious mind

1239
01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:58,560
things are

1240
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:01,679
and are not all at the same time now

1241
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:03,520
under hypnosis

1242
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:07,120
what a subject believes determines what

1243
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:08,239
is truth to him

1244
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,400
wait a minute would you say that again

1245
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,239
well in other words

1246
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,960
what comes out under hypnosis you

1247
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:16,400
believe to be true

1248
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:20,320
it is true for you but a fantasy

1249
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:24,239
or a dream can be as true for you

1250
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:33,110
i said i hope that somehow we would meet

1251
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:33,920
again

1252
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,560
maybe he would come back and he said

1253
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:38,560
well he would try

1254
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:40,639
and then they all turned and started to

1255
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,840
go back

1256
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,920
and i get up to the car and bonnie's

1257
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:45,360
inside and i say

1258
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,560
come on out watch him leave don't be

1259
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:50,480
afraid delsie there's nothing to be

1260
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:51,600
afraid of

1261
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:54,480
and so we're watching them leave and it

1262
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:55,040
starts

1263
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:58,960
glowing getting brighter and brighter

1264
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:02,000
it's a large ball a big orange ball and

1265
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,320
it's

1266
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:05,440
glowing and rolling just like a ball and

1267
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:06,080
i'm so

1268
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:11,669
suddenly the ship became a bright

1269
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:12,960
glowing object

1270
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:15,520
and it appeared to roll over like a ball

1271
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:18,000
turning over about three or four times

1272
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:21,199
and then sailing into the sky

1273
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,199
there's one thing i don't understand

1274
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,199
suppose it was a dream could we have

1275
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:27,120
both had the same dream

1276
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,719
well that's an aspect that's been

1277
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,159
puzzling me and uh

1278
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:33,199
no i don't think it could at first i

1279
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:34,159
thought

1280
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,560
because barney was more ready for a

1281
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,880
trauma that he had transferred a fantasy

1282
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:40,000
to you

1283
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,239
and i thought because it seemed more

1284
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:44,080
likely that you had transferred your

1285
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:46,159
dreams to barney

1286
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:53,830
well i'm not quite sure how to take that

1287
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,840
but i'll tell you something

1288
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:59,440
i don't really care if it's a dream or

1289
01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:01,760
reel because the longer these tapes play

1290
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:02,159
and

1291
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:06,639
get into it

1292
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,000
i feel as though something is being

1293
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,400
lifted off my shoulders

1294
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:12,239
and it's better than suffering with it

1295
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:13,600
you know

1296
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:16,400
all those anxieties and wondering that's

1297
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:17,840
the whole point

1298
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:26,070
how do you feel now betty

1299
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:29,120
i feel fine i

1300
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:31,040
i guess it was just the fear of the

1301
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:42,229
and i don't want to be operated on

1302
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:44,960
you don't want to be operated on what

1303
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,520
makes you

1304
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:47,920
think of an operation oh i just

1305
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:52,790
i don't know if i went into this detail

1306
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:55,199
or not when i was hypnotized what detail

1307
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:03,110
oh i don't know maybe it's just

1308
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,920
psychological

1309
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:07,600
i didn't want to hear anymore that for a

1310
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:14,950
what detail

1311
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:18,070
without listening i remembered what they

1312
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,760
examined my drawing with it was a

1313
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,360
circular instrument and they pressed

1314
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:22,880
down with it

1315
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,159
you know that small ring of wards that

1316
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,000
developed in an almost geometrically

1317
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:30,480
perfect circle around my groin

1318
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:33,280
since the therapy began it's become a

1319
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:34,880
little painful

1320
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:37,920
and flamed around the whole area

1321
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,960
i was wondering those awards

1322
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,040
originally appeared way back in 1962

1323
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:44,960
when i had no conscious memory of the

1324
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:48,080
aboard the craft right now here it is

1325
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:50,480
1964

1326
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:55,760
and they get inflamed

1327
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:05,750
i don't know it may still be part of a

1328
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:19,669
but i i just don't know

1329
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:22,390
i don't want to wake up you won't wake

1330
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:23,360
up

1331
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:27,760
you're in a deep sleep you can go on

1332
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:30,800
and i look and i look and i say

1333
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:34,080
i'm not afraid i'm not afraid i'll shoot

1334
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:35,040
it down

1335
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:38,400
and i run out across the road

1336
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:55,390
there it is

1337
01:26:55,400 --> 01:27:02,830
[Laughter]

1338
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:06,550
oh i'm not afraid

1339
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:09,360
and i run out across the road and there

1340
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:10,880
it is up there

1341
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:14,639
oh my gosh oh

1342
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,400
can i please wake up go on

1343
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:20,400
this won't hurt you experience it it

1344
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:41,350
i gotta get my gun i gotta turn it off

1345
01:27:54,370 --> 01:27:45,350
it's all right barney i'll just be calm

1346
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:55,990
[Applause]

1347
01:28:02,229 --> 01:27:59,840
dr simon i don't want to offend you in

1348
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:02,239
any way you understand

1349
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:05,040
i have a great respect and admiration

1350
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:06,239
for you

1351
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,080
and i can only thank god that we came to

1352
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:10,560
you with all this

1353
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:14,080
but your theory about uh

1354
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:26,470
it's real it did happen

1355
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:34,870
i know that now

1356
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:54,830
i know it

1357
01:28:54,840 --> 01:29:01,189
uh

1358
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:04,550
dr simon i haven't said before either

1359
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:07,840
how grateful i am i just want to say too

1360
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,239
thank

1361
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:11,600
we came to you with all this yeah

1362
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:15,199
thank you buddy barney

1363
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:24,790
i had the feeling listening that uh

1364
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:28,000
and gave you a few bad moments there oh

1365
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:31,360
i tell you this little heart went

1366
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,600
pitter-pad a couple of times

1367
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,280
you're a big man barney and going for

1368
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:38,320
your weapon

1369
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:39,679
i had that gun in the coat the whole

1370
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:42,159
time can you believe that

1371
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:45,840
walking along nice shut

1372
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:49,280
scared little bunny rabbit a gun in my

1373
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:51,280
coat and you

1374
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:52,960
you didn't have a gun and you're half my

1375
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:54,400
size and

1376
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:03,669
mighty mouse

1377
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:08,470
what in the world was i so afraid of

1378
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:11,830
you had a good time

1379
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:14,149
well what do you think you must have

1380
01:30:32,830 --> 01:30:28,149
the bunny capture

1381
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:36,390
yeah any kind

1382
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:40,480
the dark the dark

1383
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:44,159
well that's all i did you know

1384
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:46,080
a child is frightened of his dark

1385
01:30:50,709 --> 01:30:47,600
bedroom he'll lead them

1386
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,719
slowly gently into that dark frightening

1387
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:52,320
room

1388
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:55,760
let them touch all the corners all the

1389
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,199
objects that seem like monsters

1390
01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:01,679
until he knows that those corners are

1391
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:03,760
just corners

1392
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:13,110
dog bedroom spaceship

1393
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:17,360
or the mind

1394
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:20,320
hey listen the next time we go in the

1395
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:22,000
dark together would you please for

1396
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:24,239
pete's sake telling me to keep my eyes

1397
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:25,440
open

1398
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:30,639
i did you didn't listen

1399
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:38,550
with active treatment discontinued

1400
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:40,560
barney and betty hill

1401
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:43,360
settle down to their routine life betty

1402
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:45,280
hill's schedule as a social worker for

1403
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:47,120
the state of new hampshire

1404
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:50,400
was both demanding and rewarding

1405
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:52,960
barney hill continued in normal fashion

1406
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:55,280
at the post office department

1407
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:56,800
and increased his community and

1408
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:59,199
political activities

1409
01:32:01,990 --> 01:32:00,719
he served on the board of directors of

1410
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:02,000
the united states civil rights

1411
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:02,960
commission

1412
01:32:09,910 --> 01:32:07,440
the naacp and the anti-poverty program

1413
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:09,920
as their doctor i felt that their

1414
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:11,760
treatment had been successful the

1415
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:13,280
primary purpose

1416
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:15,360
to penetrate the amnesia in order to

1417
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,199
relieve their anxieties

1418
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:19,120
have been accomplished the question

1419
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,239
concerning the real

1420
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:22,800
or fantasized aspects of the trauma

1421
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:24,800
remains a question

1422
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,960
and i'm so proud of you

1423
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:33,199
[Applause]

1424
01:32:40,190 --> 01:32:38,870
you remember when we were in the middle

1425
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:40,200
of all that mess

1426
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:42,000
[Music]

1427
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:46,159
we were fighting all the time about just

1428
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,030
well i told you no well first

1429
01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:55,679
you said that well you know you were

1430
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:56,639
talking about

1431
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:03,590
you asked me if i would be all right

1432
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,950
well bonnie

1433
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,709
that's not true what i said

1434
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:20,310
i would be all right

1435
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:23,430
you know why because they've given you

1436
01:33:31,780 --> 01:33:24,400
so much

1437
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:31,790
that's the rest of my life

1438
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:35,520
[Music]

1439
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:40,719
so i could be alone if i had to

1440
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:48,629
and you you made it for every bit of

1441
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:50,239
unhappiness that i've

1442
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:52,110
experienced in my whole life

1443
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:03,590
in 1963 under hypnotic suggestion betty

1444
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:04,960
hill drew from memory

1445
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:06,400
the map shown to her aboard the

1446
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:09,360
spacecraft astronomers became fascinated

1447
01:34:12,790 --> 01:34:11,040
for what if the map corresponded to a

1448
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:12,800
pattern of real stars from an

1449
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:15,120
alien viewpoint astronomers reasoned

1450
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:17,199
that the majority of star systems likely

1451
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:19,120
to have life-supporting planets

1452
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:20,880
were located in the obscure southern

1453
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,719
constellation of reticulum

1454
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,480
yet three stars in the cluster were

1455
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:26,639
unknown until 1969

1456
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:28,719
no astronomers knew their position in

1457
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:30,400
1963

1458
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:32,639
but that same year betty hill drew a map

1459
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:35,280
which contained these undiscovered stars

1460
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:37,520
astronomers at ohio state university

1461
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:39,199
requested a computer to put them in

1462
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:40,560
their correct position

1463
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:42,560
out beyond the incredible double star

1464
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:44,560
system of zeta reticuli 1 and zeta

1465
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:45,280
reticuli

1466
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:49,040
ii 220 trillion miles 37 light years

1467
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,000
away from earth

1468
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:52,560
looking toward our sun and the computer

1469
01:35:12,830 --> 01:34:55,119
duplicated with virtually no variation